Frequently Asked Questions

Balancing In-House Teams and Agencies

What are the main challenges of balancing in-house marketing teams with agencies?

Key challenges include hiring the right talent (which can take months), managing lean teams with limited buffers for urgent projects, increasing workloads, skills gaps that reduce agility, and the impact of external events like health crises or civil disruptions. These factors can make it difficult for in-house teams to keep up with demand and maintain strategic focus. (Source)

Why do companies shift more marketing work in-house?

Companies often move work in-house to better respond to emerging opportunities, deliver higher value, and shift from tactical execution to a more strategic role in directing marketing strategy. This also reduces dependency on outside agencies. (Source)

What are the risks of relying solely on in-house marketing teams?

Relying only on in-house teams can lead to resource shortages, skills gaps, and reduced agility. Teams may struggle to keep up with shifting priorities and urgent projects, and external events can disrupt normal operations. Partners can help fill these gaps quickly. (Source)

How can agencies or partners help when my marketing team is short-handed?

Agencies can quickly provide highly qualified people to fill gaps, keep projects on schedule, and handle routine activities. They can dedicate one or several experienced professionals to your company on short notice, ensuring continuity and expertise. (Source)

What value do partners bring to marketing operations teams?

Partners offer multi-faceted expertise, the ability to quickly scale resources for urgent projects, outsourcing of tactical production work, skills training for your team, and a broad perspective from working with many clients. This helps organizations stay agile and competitive. (Source)

How do partners help with skills training for in-house teams?

Partners provide both formal and informal training, sharing knowledge gained from multiple successful projects across various clients. This exposure helps in-house teams become more proficient and productive quickly. (Source)

What are the financial considerations when choosing between in-house teams and agencies?

While an employee's salary may seem comparable to agency costs, overhead factors (like office, HR, and managerial expenses) can make in-house staff significantly more expensive. Agencies offer financial flexibility, allowing you to scale up or down quickly, which is often appealing to executives. (Source)

How can agencies provide cost savings compared to in-house teams?

Agencies can offer quantity discounts for basic operations services or when you purchase a significant number of hours over a longer period. This can make agency services more cost-effective, especially when compared to the true overhead costs of in-house staff. (Source)

What are the benefits of working with a partner during periods of uncertainty?

Partners can provide consistency and continuity during volatile business cycles, helping you maintain marketing operations even when hiring is difficult or external events disrupt normal workflows. (Source)

How can I stay connected with agency partners who work remotely?

Use video conferencing for regular check-ins, schedule periodic face-to-face meetings, set up quarterly one-on-one feedback sessions, and maintain executive-to-executive connections to ensure strong relationships and alignment. (Source)

What types of marketing work are best outsourced to agencies?

Routine day-to-day campaign services, tactical production work, and projects requiring specialized expertise or rapid scaling are ideal for outsourcing to agencies. This allows your in-house team to focus on strategic planning and core business objectives. (Source)

How quickly can agencies scale up or down compared to hiring in-house staff?

Agencies can accelerate or reduce hours quickly based on your needs, often within a month. In contrast, hiring and training new in-house staff can take 60 days to hire and another 60 days to reach full productivity. (Source)

What is the rationale behind executives choosing agencies over in-house hires?

Executives consider the full overhead costs of employees, which can be 2-4 times the base salary, compared to the more flexible and scalable costs of agencies. Agencies can be "turned off" or scaled back quickly, offering greater financial flexibility. (Source)

How can I negotiate better rates with agencies?

Ask about quantity discounts for purchasing a significant number of hours or for basic operations services. Some agencies, including 4Thought Marketing, may offer formal or informal discounts based on your needs. (Source)

How do partners help new users become proficient quickly?

Partners provide hands-on experience and opportunities for new users to interact with more experienced professionals, accelerating their learning and increasing their productivity and profitability. (Source)

What is the advantage of a partner's broad experience base?

Partners who work with many clients bring a wide range of experience and insights, offering new ideas and best practices that can be applied to your marketing operations for improved outcomes. (Source)

How can partners help during external disruptions like health crises?

Partners can step in to maintain marketing operations when external events disrupt your in-house team's ability to function, providing continuity and expertise during challenging times. (Source)

What should I ask agencies about their discount policies?

Ask if they offer quantity discounts for a certain number of hours or specific types of services. Even if there is no formal policy, agencies may be open to informal arrangements that better suit your needs. (Source)

How can I get help from 4Thought Marketing if I have marketing operations challenges?

You can contact 4Thought Marketing for expert assistance with marketing operations staffing, skills, production capacity, or completing high-quality projects on time. They specialize in helping Oracle Eloqua and Oracle Marketing Cloud customers optimize their marketing operations. (Contact Us)

Features & Capabilities

What strategic marketing services does 4Thought Marketing offer?

4Thought Marketing provides services such as marketing strategy alignment, lead generation, conversion optimization (including lead scoring, nurturing, segmentation, and funnel frameworks), reporting & analytics, and data privacy consulting to ensure compliance with privacy laws. (Strategic Services)

What campaign services are available from 4Thought Marketing?

Campaign services include campaign production (email, form, and landing page execution), deliverability and reporting, help desk support (Eloqua and Marketo specialists), training, health checks & analysis, and email efficacy evaluation. (Campaign Services)

What technical services does 4Thought Marketing provide?

Technical services include platform implementation, change management, success planning, data management and stewardship, system integration (using connectors and custom APIs), and web & app development (custom cloud apps, HTML templates, JavaScript, and responsive email). (Implementation)

What marketing automation platforms does 4Thought Marketing support?

4Thought Marketing supports platforms such as Oracle Eloqua, Adobe Marketo, and PathFactory, as well as CRM platforms like Microsoft Dynamics and Salesforce. (Platforms)

What cloud apps are available from 4Thought Marketing?

Available cloud apps include String Deleter (for data quality), 4Comply Adobe Marketo Privacy Connector (for privacy compliance), Custom Object Kitchen Sink Pack (for data deletion), and CO Date Calculator (for date field calculations in custom objects). (Cloud Apps)

What is the 4Comply Adobe Marketo Privacy Connector?

The 4Comply Adobe Marketo Privacy Connector is a solution for seamless data privacy integration with Adobe Marketo, helping organizations ensure privacy compliance in their marketing operations. (4Comply Marketo Privacy Connector)

What does the String Deleter Cloud App do?

The String Deleter Cloud App helps improve data quality by removing unwanted character strings, such as honorifics, name prefixes or suffixes, company suffixes, or special characters from your marketing data. (String Deleter)

What is the Custom Object Kitchen Sink Pack?

The Custom Object Kitchen Sink Pack is a collection of cloud apps designed to delete contact or custom object data, offering a 50% savings when purchased as a bundle. (Custom Object Kitchen Sink Pack)

What does the CO Date Calculator app do?

The CO Date Calculator app allows you to add or subtract days, weeks, months, or years in a date field and store the results in a custom object field within a CO program. (CO Date Calculator)

What is 4Preferences and what does it do?

4Preferences is a solution for centralizing preference management across your organization, making it easier to manage customer communication preferences. (4Preferences)

What is 4Segments and how does it help marketers?

4Segments provides visual segmentation tools for marketers, enabling them to better target and personalize their campaigns. (4Segments)

What is 4Bridge and what integration options does it provide?

4Bridge offers integration solutions for Eloqua, Marketo, CRM, and other systems, supporting both connectors and custom APIs for seamless data flow. (4Bridge)

What types of training does 4Thought Marketing offer?

4Thought Marketing offers custom online training and videos to improve skills and increase productivity, especially for Eloqua and Marketo users. (Training)

How does 4Thought Marketing help with data privacy compliance?

4Thought Marketing provides data privacy consulting services and privacy compliance software (such as 4Comply) to help organizations ensure compliance with privacy laws in their marketing operations. (Data Privacy Consulting)

Tips for Balancing In-House Marketing Teams vs. Agencies

Tips for Balancing In-House Marketing Teams vs. Agencies 5

We’re All Feeling the Impact of Recent Events

With recent events dominating the news, keeping yourself and those close to you safe and well must be your highest priority.

While many companies are working very hard to keep everything “business as usual,” company leaders are already planning for the future.  They face difficult choices, and the longer they wait, the more likely they are to take more decisive steps.  Without regard as to whether this approach is right or wrong, it’s happening, at many organizations, right now.  In our article below, we examine the challenge of finding the correct balance of in-house or marketing agencies.

Balancing In-House Marketing Teams vs. Agencies in 2022

As part of your planning cycle, marketing organizations are continually examining and re-examining how to balance the mix of in-house marketing teams vs. agencies. According to a 2019 Gartner Marketing Operational Survey, companies shifted more work to in-house marketing teams from outside agencies in 2018.

Key drivers include the ability to better respond to emerging marketing and business opportunities, delivering higher value, and changing from tactical execution to a more strategic role in directing implementing their marketing strategy.

Moving in-house also reduces their dependency on outside agencies.  However, not everything is shifting in-house. Companies are generally looking first to centralize control and management, and then choosing the best mix of both in-house teams and partners for their marketing operations plan.

And moving work in-house presents a range of challenges.

Balancing In-House vs. Agency Hiring

  • Hiring the right talent takes time. Even if qualified applicants are available, it can take two to three months to hire someone and several months for them to become productive within your organization.
  • Lean teams. Most marketing teams staff for typical workloads, with a small buffer for the occasional urgent or unplanned projects.
  • Increasing workloads. With constantly shifting priorities and a rapidly changing business climate, in-house teams struggle to keep up with demand.
  • Skills gaps reduce agility. You have a fully staffed team, but lack expertise in specific areas that impact your ability to respond quickly to shifting priorities.
  • Focus on execution reduces the time to think strategically. Often the first area to suffer is your marketing strategy.  Getting the work done is crucial, but so is ensuring your skills and technology align with company objectives and strategy.
  • External events. The weather, health crises, and civil disruption may throw normal operations into disarray, limiting your ability to sustain normal marketing operations.

When companies are short-handed, or lack skills, partners can quickly fill the void with highly qualified people, ensuring that projects stay on schedule.  They can also help with routine day-to-day activities. With short notice, they can dedicate one or several people to your company. These are experienced people who work with you and your organization to fill the current gap.

Working with a partner organization also gives you access to new ideas and insights at every level, from creative to technology. From tactical tasks like subscription lists or optimizing subject lines to upgrading and adding new applications to your Martech stack, a partner working with many clients brings a wealth of experience!

At the same time, partners give new users at your company opportunities for hands-on experience (and interaction with more experienced users) and can help them to become much more proficient, and much more profitable, much more quickly.

And if recent events have taught us anything, you can never be fully prepared for every contingency.  Partners can help when external forces impact your business.

How Partners Provide Value to Marketing Operations Teams

  • Multi-faceted expertise: Partners will know critical areas that a new or even experienced employee may not have. And they can easily tap into expertise from other partner employees as necessary.
  • Get a lot of work done quickly: Emerging opportunities or urgent projects can outstrip available resources. A partner can frequently bring many people to bear on a problem, solving it quickly and efficiently.
  • Outsource tactical production work: Move some of your day-to-day campaign services work, to keep up with the workload, or free up time for more strategic planning by your team.
  • Skills training for your team: Leverage your partners for both formal and informal training for your organization – the kind of training after exposure to multiple successful projects across many clients.
  • A broad perspective on what is possible: A partner with many clients brings you a much broader experience base across all aspects of marketing operations. You can then tap into this experience and add it to your organization.

Getting the Most from Your Agency

While partners can quickly fill gaps and respond when demand is high, challenges remain. However, working with partners has never been easier with these simple solutions.

Partners do not spend much time in your office

When working with any partner or consultant, they usually don’t spend a lot of their time in your office. For many companies, face to face conversations is crucial for continued success. However, there are simple solutions to stay connected:

  • Use video conferencing for weekly, even daily check-in! With today’s internet speeds and cameras now in every computer, tablet, and phone, adding video to your conversations is easy.
  • Schedule periodic face to face meetings. Consider budgeting for the partner to regularly visit your office every 3-6 months (or more!).
  • Setup quarterly one-on-one meetings. Just as you would with an employee, find 30 minutes once a quarter to give some feedback. Don’t only provide feedback to the company. Provide input to the specific person working with you. It’s incredible what even a little feedback can do!
  • Maintain an executive-to-executive connection. Create and maintain a relationship between a partner executive and one of your key stakeholders. It bridges the connection between companies at higher levels and provides more ROI, and a “bigger picture” to supplement day to day interactions.

Naturally, there are many more management methods you can use, but those listed here can help you to enhance a partner relationship greatly.  The next challenge is cost.

Tough Times: Executives Use Different Calculations when Cutting Expenses

Budget cuts don’t always seem to make sense for a variety of political and financial reasons,

For example, you may look at someone’s salary of $100k and be required to cut them while simultaneously receiving permission to spend an additional $100k on an agency?  It would seem like a wash, right?

However, execs, CFOs, and Human Resources departments have a unique way of calculating.  An employee’s salary often has an “overhead factor” attached to it that goes above and beyond what the company pays for health care and taxes.

That overhead may include a portion of your building & office expenses, HR dept expenses, managerial expenses, projected possible termination expenses, etc., meaning that the core salary of 100k, can quickly jump to 2x, 3x, and even 4x what the person takes home.

Now compare your $100k agency with your $400k employee, and one can start to understand the rationale behind these decisions.

Also, an agency’s hours are quickly accelerated or slowed.  Have another $100k to spend next month?  Many agencies would say, “Let’s go!” However, hiring and training somebody to be fully productive by next month may be unrealistic.  Often companies project 60 days to hire and 60 days more before full productivity.

And the reverse is also true.  Need to your agency to be “turned off” quickly, and to tell them “Sorry, please cut $100k next month”, with the right contract, it is usually substantially easier than letting someone go.  This financial flexibility often appeals to executives.

Expense (or Perceived Expenses)

It may seem as if “partners don’t come cheap.” And in the current environment, where hiring is difficult, partners are also “in demand.”

One of the best ways to mitigate the costs of working with a partner is to plan thoroughly and negotiate for quantity discounts.

Some partners can steeply discount their services if:

  • You only need basic “operations” services like segmentation, email sends and landing page creation
  • You buy a significant number of hours, for a long enough time.

Of course, both of those items often come into play.  So don’t forget to ask, “Do you offer quantity discounts for a certain number of hours or certain types of services?” Even if a company doesn’t have a formal policy in this area (and 4Thought Marketing does), they may be open to something informal better suit both the Eloqua Partner and yourself.

A partner can help you through periods when you’re short-handed, and they can even become a longer-term adviser that you can rely upon through the ups and downs of regular business cycles. They can provide a kind of consistency that you may not be able to find in a volatile hiring market.

Contact us if you’re experiencing marketing operations staffing, skills, production capacity issues, or completing high-quality projects on time. We’re experts helping Oracle Eloqua and Oracle Marketing Cloud customers optimize their marketing operations.  Learn more about available services.

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